That intro is intense, oh we're, here it's like an mla song. It is the real deal holyfield. I think we paid 200 bucks for that me and wes made it for free. What are you talking about? Did we pay weights? I paid somehow. I just want to show everybody my beer to start, because this week show length is going to be. I think i know where the camera is two beers, long it's. All right jeff goes like oh it's been on 45 minutes, but i just go by last week was a little short. I only had one beer i don't know. If anybody noticed is that why we ended it early because you might have it before, i don't remember what it was, but it was definitely part of the reason. How do you make it when i'm? Talking to my girl, we got ta wrap this up. We'Re done already no, i said jeff's always like welcome to the show we got to wrap this up, guys yeah, yeah well right so for everybody, that's uh, just looking at early faces for the first time, we're three dudes, that battle rc that's, why we call it Rc babel, which doesn't say it anywhere now, but it says it somewhere: let's have a discussion. We should add rc babble to the thumbnail people yeah. I am derek um, the some guy that does velocity rc cars magazine like the hat i don't just make a hat.
We make a magazine download it today on your smart or not so smart tablet, depending on how smart you are jeff lives in canada, he wears a winter hat. 24 7. pete is in texas and he's rocking the hat. Although this one i'll be honest with you, it is a little tight on my head and it starts to cut my brain off uh after about 30 minutes of using it's a little tight, but i only wear it for this video so yeah. I wear it more often got to keep it fresh, that's. The only reason yeah good yeah yeah elements – it's another company – i don't know if he's going to bring back uh what's that shitty shirt with the dazzle on there when the old white bikers were they were like 60 looking cool had. I have no idea. We need those on their pockets, jeff hardy or something like that. Oh yeah there's, another one what's that mma one that everyone jeff is going to start rocking those next week because they're now in style in canada, uh for everyone interested. I have ordered a new hat for next week, not for me because of mine. The one i sent is too expensive for you to wear yeah. No, i got it on display it's right there right beside the ugly sky, what's up uh t bone what's up omar right i'm, pretending what's happening i'm, pretending her ventriloquist. You got your hand in my ass what's, going on jeff.
Just affliction, see freaking tebow man. This guy it's a good thing. This guy's a fan because he knows this, i think he's, your neighbor. He knows you're a striker and you're something every week interacts with them. I really wish you had your. I know that i make this joke every week, but you did have oakley pants with the oh was perfectly in your butthole. I'Ll go get them if you want and he wore him at every trade show every year. For that sounds like something i would do. Yeah yeah, so this is how we show uh start every show talking about jeff's o ring, but um we got some. We got a plan today we are giving away stuff uh. We are gon na give away something that i don't even know what it is, but it's made by t related. Yes, hey so in a way today's show is brought to you by tkin only because they're giving away something that we we don't know it could be that rx8 it could be for your crawler. Maybe we can get him to give away something new that he told me about that. I can't talk about i'm in quarantine or what's that called uh embargo, ah embargo trade demarco. That word, so i can't tell you what it is, but there's a couple things coming out: exciting uh. If people don't know tkin is a u.s company. If that matters to you it should. If you live here, if you don't live here, maybe you should.
I don't know uh no, not right now why anyways right, because she's doing great everything's going real well in the us right now, that's great, we got one word answer guy here. Would you do you like taking yes, i'm, a huge chicken fan, i've been a teacher fan uh even before they were an advertiser now, but i was before as well. I i can tell you why i'm a teaching fan it was the first speed control. I bought yep. That was the first one i had after the futaba mc210b that came with a radio yeah, my that that's a speed control. I drove with one speed uh because you know when you used to be able to hook up batteries backwards or something i burnt out all the speeds. So i had an electronic speed control with just full throttle, but it was still better than the swipe around my rc10, so that's uh that's that's. How rough we have it. You know i'm, a poor boy. I had broken materials and i stole a lot. Some people still drive like an on off switch where it's either yeah you don't, really need it. It'S nitro uh, i don't think anything interesting came out in rc and sometimes we like discuss when something new came out. Uh we'll get some new camo camo camo paint mask from triplex main i've, been keeping a close eye on this one. They did a great job on it. Camouflage paint mask power sales.
Great things are going great yeah, so reedy has a new fan, guys that's cool um, jacob that's, buggy buddy x ray, has a new gt uh on road car eight scale buggy for the street. Basically, oh, you know what i saw. I don't know if this is new, but i think i think jason, i think jay concepts uh released a b2 body is that we're in the golden age right now that's great yeah. They have an artifact. I don't want to start rumors, but does that mean something like is associated about to release a re release of that or something or like why all of a sudden which car they've ever made, i hope so, no i'm, just i'm just curious. I i don't even know is that a brand new body that jason just released and if so, why why now i like it it's awesome but well, they make everybody, make some weird stuff, so uh joe who paints for us uh, always bragging about his rc10 gt. Electric conversion, which i'm just so baffled by that, was even a product for some reason why i don't get it, why it wasn't a product why it was. There was a conversion to convert your gt to electric. Oh joe didn't make it himself – oh no, that was that was like a class, for i don't know like i'm, like a 12 minutes or something it was like realized, hey they make an electric car that's better.
I don't understand why you would take the nitro out. Well, they also have uh buggy two two wheel drive buggies now that have a mid motor with a drive shaft going to the rear gearbox unless those went out of favor. But that was a thing for a little bit wasn't it. But that would be for a different reason that would be for weight, loss, there's, probably some kind of a weight distribution reason i mean in rc. You know how it goes if someone does something different, unless it is clearly observable to suck they'll, say it's better. That way like dude, are you running your front tires on the back it's it's, the hookup. You know or some bananas thing. You know um that's, just that i i i would agree with that. It may be in the bachelor or the less informed racer market, but but uh i mean the bad ideas are hashed out real quick on the racetrack, even in the racer, though, when it was more of the anything goes racing area as opposed to now or so Stuff associated with mine, but you know back in the rc 10 gt er for sure they were everything you have. A new car would come out there because you got to flip the arms, put the right arms on the left and vice versa. It'S it's way better. You know sure needs to probably suck, but there would always be someone doing that kind of stuff.
I know, but that was tinkering after gt came after the electric one. It doesn't it didn't, make any sense to me, but it was a thing because joe post pictures that he wants to start a class with people that want to spend two hundred dollars on a conversion to make it electric, which is the same price. You know the vehicle is very difficult to get to begin with right now, i'm talking about uh, real quick if you want to, is that traxxas is offering the slash as a tool drive kit, and i responded to some guys who are like you know. Why does it come with electronics, that's stupid? The whole point is you: can choose your electronics, i think, for a lot of people today buying a kit um, at least of a slash or that genre, as opposed to a trx4 kit, where you probably don't, want electronics, because, on the trail side, everything most people Do want to choose their own stuff, but i think for a lot of customers, and maybe you can speak to this jeff if you say here's a kit to build your own radio control car they're, probably going to think everything's in the box they're, not because the Radio control car has a radio they're not going to think like oh yeah. It wouldn't have that in the box. I'Ll have to pick that out and i'll have to go through everything. I need to learn about radios and servos to speaking roles and motors to get that stuff.
I think a lot of people are like yeah. Of course it would be in the box. Why would it not think about maybe from traxxas they might have that impression, but, but i mean most of the kits that are available. These days are race kits which don't come with electronics, so i i mean i i don't know. If it, i don't, really know the disappointment in my face from that answer. What did you listen to anything? Pete said he. I think i thought it. I thought i did. I don't know if it gets true, you got google translate on and the on the app somehow did. I just miss that all right. There are plenty of old guys like us who understand that yeah the whole deal with a kit. Is you get to build? It yourself, which is fun, but you also get to choose your own electronics, which is so important to pay more yeah, but but now nowadays there's a lot of people um one. The idea that you can buy a truck unassembled at all is like what. Why would i want that? But if they do want it, if they're like oh, i can build it myself. That sounds cool. That would be a great project for me and my son or uh. You know that kind of thing, they'll, probably also assume, because they've found out that you can buy an rc car on unassembled for the first time. They'Ll, probably assume everything you need is in the box, including a radio and the parts that make it go.
The idea that, like no no, this doesn't have the parts to make it go and you're going to spend another 200 bucks to get that stuff. That would probably blow their minds. I thought i responded to that yeah, i said for an attraction. I didn't say you didn't hear them. I just said you're stupid. I think for attraction. Yes, you would expect the the electronics to be in there, but the the kit world as it is. Since you know the last 20 years, a lot of the kits these days, don't uh, because so many of the kits are race cars that that the industry might expect a different kind of kid. Well again, the first thing i said is it attracts this brand yeah? I think people would expect in terms of the model i mean clearly, traxxas does not have a philosophy of our kits will all include all the electronics, because the trx4 sport kit does not and a trail truck buyer. Those guys are all about like a big part of this is how i set up my electronic year. So it makes sense that that one wouldn't, so i think traxx is just listening to the marketplace, but the idea that kids are for old guys like us exclusively, not necessarily true and um i'm sure you know, traxxas has probably done more research and actual thought into It with oh yeah yeah all the processing, also why don't they just offer both.
Why don't they have a kit with electronics. We do well no they're, not for that one um. This philippine 4×4 was offered both ways and now they only offer it um. I think with electronics um, because uh, presumably the one that did not have electronics, was not as good as itself. You'Ve already spoken to this traxxas is so big that they can make a lot of decisions based strictly on the numbers. If something isn't selling, then then they'll stop selling it yeah and probably not not attempted again. I think the kid's going to sell more than they're ready to run to be honest with you. I think they can first it won't, but there are still people that want. It sounds like that. I think they said there's enough people here where we can do a run to satisfy that need and it'll be profitable and it's worth doing um because that's that's fine. I i think it's noteworthy, i think, it's very uh, heartening to hear that there are still kids or dads who are making their kids uh build a kit because you know we all know the amazing building kit and i love the idea of ready to runs of Not having this gatekeeping in the hobby, where all you have to do to get into hobby quality radio controllers want to um, but i do like that. If you want to build a kit, there is an option and there's, no one with a kit half built under the bed, never joining the hobby because that's the only way to do it and they couldn't get past that hurdle.
You want to have both, but but we we get flooded with customers all the time with their slash coming in breaking the most common part, the front knuckle or whatever, which is two screws and a wheel nut and a dry pin kind of a thing, and they Can'T change it. They they're asking us to do the the swap for them, so that's a little frustrating in the hobby that it's so it's so easy now to get in that fight i'm gon na knock most ready to runs because they went from instruction manuals to owner's manual and Tracks this kit does not show you how to take anything apart. Well, exploded views, but you're right. No, they don't have step by step and they should, but i mean at least in the old days i mean if you included that step by step, you would have the okay. I have to do it backwards, but most kids now ready to run and that's. Really everybody i'm, not singling out tracks this year, you're gon na make pete mad yeah uh there's, no more manual. It'S, basically turn your car on. You know: uh pair change, your speed, control or uh, maybe like some mild information, but it's not really a breakdown. So if they were being smart, you need a real manual and a it's, not a manual anymore it's, not instructions. It'S, a driver's manual it's like getting your real car, yeah i'm sure those brands would say we'd love to, but that stuff's not free and the additional cost isn't value perceived by the by the buyer.
And we have to do in four languages. And now it becomes a big they. Never they have reasons it's not just because, like we said screw you but for sure – and you know it'd be nice to have it there and pay perform at least you can get it online. I know traxxas right on the front of the manual that says: go online for the whole manual and the whole manual is very comprehensive and they have exploded views where you can actually click on the part that shows all that stuff um but yeah that'd be nicer, But i do like the slash kit uh only because that was still one of my favorite racing classes and i'd prefer to build it. Didn'T yeah. I had it by the way we can put that into the next issue. So i know i was told bastard um yeah so before i hit enter, which i'm going to do right now, i'm, going to put the link back up it's the same link as last week. So if you already downloaded this issue, you just got to do it again to try to win uh we're, just doing it to keep track of entries instead of us writing stuff down or dumb. We came up with while we weren't thinking so well. For our awesome viewers – maybe next week we should even offer it – i mean we have like 40 issues. We can even offer a different issue each week for our loyal viewers by the issue.
Well, there could be a way to make sure there's nothing to watch 40 episodes and uh everything we did was free uh. The idea is like hey, you're gon na oh okay, now we're talking 40 magazines is every subscriber automatically entered, or do they have to do something every every episode, no we're uh. This is the link that i put up. There is a specific link to bamble and it's free it's 36 or something downloaded, and it basically just gives me a log who entered so that's how you're entering to win uh. I will change it. I just to be honest. I didn't get home in time today to do it and then uh it doesn't, really matter let's, just free issue to enter to get something free, just download it and and if you'd like what you've got for free, it's, fn 10. 9.99 for the pdf. If you do the app it's more expensive and we make less money, i some other third party apple programmer, he's, fine, but uh just do the apps pdf you don't know how to use a pdf just turn the computer off and walk into the street, and hopefully Someone runs you over, but it's pretty easy to use and uh it's a 200 value, as they say, yeah it's, one right, yeah, yeah right 12 times five. You know but very consider charitably it's a a 400 value. Um, you got ta put the actual price on the magazine to like fifteen hundred dollars.
So then i can say it's more and still sell for two bucks. Whatever the hell, it is 299, whatever we don't even know what we sell the magazine for. I try to get a subscription, i mean if you buy the single issue, it's priced so dumb that if you buy one issue i really like when i see people buy one issue and if you did them, you can come here and i'll slap you in the Face personally, it doesn't make any sense, it's so pretty to just subscribe and get everything and keep getting everything but hey if you want to pay more for one all right enough of this. What are we talking about here? We'Re talking about lipos and live fees right? Well, we're still on long term. Well, i don't, i don't even know about life. Life hosts to life ease, but i don't talk about it. Let'S start this. Well, you want to start with that. One feel like this is a better direction. I kind of unless i thought about this backwards and i flipped in my head, but it doesn't matter it doesn't matter, it's, fine, it doesn't it doesn't rc cars are now on all levels, even jeff's i'm in the a main and all i care about is winning The ama and i want that's not true, go fastest. I don't care are too fast, so we can talk about your position ready to run. They are too fast, 100 they're stupidly fast, especially because they're ready to run and they go 70 miles an hour out of box and eat, and then we're going to tie this in because two parts it's definitely too fast.
Four – and this is why i did this first – not the battery thing, the average consumer and that's – why we have to have electric nannies, but some cars, don't have them and racing which is too fast, which will tie into our next topic is too fast, especially on Your dumb off road carpet, where unlimited traction ruins everything again yeah well touring car, would be a better example than off road carpet. Then, in that case, but yeah that's fine, either one whatever, whatever, which one you want to pick something on green fuzzy carpet. I'Ll i'll make my points after, if you you, so you you're okay, are you done your diatribe that it's too faster you i've, assumed you have more to say? Oh, i do okay, yeah yeah. You want that! You want it now. I want it now: buddy, okay, so we'll talk about racing specifically and uh and well when i started racing it was stock and modified. Modified was still pretty quick back in the day. You know we ran. Like a i mean when i was younger, maybe 10 turn or something it's, not insane like it is now two things have changed. Obviously, what one of them is going to be our next topic, but battery power and motor power, but in the modified high end it? You know there was talk in the industry of racing being too fast and they were coming up with to me dumb ways of slowing everything down.
One of them was uh, do motor limit crap, which annoys the baffles me, and i want to punch people in the face for this one. I actually got an argument at the ifmar worlds when they had the 10 turn motor limit yeah. What they had then uh racing they had a 10. They had a motor limit unmodified. I don't remember that at all, but i don't, like it well, 100 agree, but uh rick, i think, was in uh team orion at the time. However, uh was adamant about this. You know well, our motors are blowing up and blah blah blah, and this is throwing everything i said well there's a simple solution, and this is what it is for the average consumer, if you can't make the main and last long enough, you have to turn your Motor down, so you win don't, you can't go fast to blow up and say it was fast for half the race but i'm 100 against spec stuff and open modified. It drives me insane, even though, of course, for some parts like tires are better for for equality. That'S a different conversation, but we're, not racing for equality. We'Re racing to win so it opens open, should be open right. You run if you got a better tire and that's. What wins? Everybody needs to run your tire. That was the point that's the point of being a tire company or a motorcycle i'm, not against handheld tires and all that crap but that's a whole other car.
We can. We could tangent on that for a long time uh. I think that i think entire conversation is different than the more than an open motor conversation the motor stuff. So their idea was one to uh limit the turns uh slow down motors so for stock, which got too fast for whatever whoever decided uh. When the we had timing and all that crap crap was go to uh, would they want to go to like 23 turn, uh, brushless and and the opposite? Uh was true. You know back in the day with stock motors, it was capped at uh. Maybe when i raced, i think it was 25 bucks but um they wanted to make it uh cost controlled again, but the more you wind, brushless motors, the more expensive it is so the slower the motor, the actually more expensive the product is. You know yeah the stock isn't, even a conversation that there's no they're, not insane speeds. I think we're talking in what they still want to slow down the car flows up when it crashes kind of speeds right even at stock. They said it was too fast for beginners right. I know jeff before we talk that you're. Only the a main driver that no i'm not bothered with someone backing up in the traffic or going i've been given a number of arguments about the g main and how it's, just as important as the amen you're, grouped with your skill, level and and that's the System that we have – and it works very well i'm – not a snobby elitist.
But we can talk about that. If, when we keep adding traction which is like carpet and blue groove, the speeds keep going up and up and up and it becomes harder because the error window becomes smaller uh, the traction goes up, which means you can use it all and it's really just like. If you think about back in the dumbbell, the vehicle can use it all, not necessarily the driver, there's a difference sure, but then i mean yes, but it still becomes harder. If you are overpowered – and you are not skilled enough to handle it overpowered, then yes, we're talking about everybody out of the a name right i mean let's talk about if you're talking about driving yeah, only 10 of them are good enough to be good enough and Then the rest, so then don't then don't make your car that fast until you're varying degrees right then slow your car down. Until you can handle it. The cars aren't they don't come with a gear ratio that you opinion, you're stuck on the motor they don't come with boost and turbo turned on in the speed control. They don't all come with 4.5 turn motors. They all come with high voltage lipos. You can drop. You can make the car you have more adjustment now than you've ever been able to do to make the car go as fast as you want it to go or as slow as you want it to go.
If you are running a five minute race and every other race, you're tagging the chicane and blowing the car up, because it's too fast, then your car's too fast there's, not a problem with, with, with the hobby being too fast, that's a problem with you not building A car for your skill level: it is a problem only because people don't want to be slow and that's the whole thing, and here and here we go again – i know i know you're right. I agree with your statement, but i don't agree with with with the people on that one. I don't want to be the slow guy out there yeah, but we all were, and many of us still are and that's okay, if you think you got to go out with a 3.5 and an hp lipo to to impress everyone as you pile into the wall. In the g main, then that's your problem, that's, not the hobbies problem or the light post problem or the or the brushless motors problem. You you build the car two too that's, not good. You build a car. He probably wants money for that. Intro yeah, unless i'm, not paying fucking, so listen i'll go i'll, i'll back it up a little bit because i think you, you brought some points up: uh there's, two there's two conversations with too fast there's the basher end of it and then there's the racer end Of it let's, let me touch upon the bachelorette.
Listen you're, though i make your a joke. Is that you and racer you only care about the amy. You have to remember. The conversation is it's, bringing new people in that suck that's yeah. So i already said that right you want to suck them in and go better. I would give them a speech. I don't give them a speech. You suck don't, buy the high voltage batteries and don't buy the 3.5 motor if you're. If you're, if you're stuck in open class, which is not even the case, you can choose a different class but let's say the track. You race, that only has open that's fine. I would still give the advice – i i did it at my last track that i was just sad. I went up to a guy, listen you're, a little bit too fast. Like turn turn these down slow it down and gave them some tips. The guy went two laps faster after that, the the the impression that the idea that you have to run anything available to create speed in your race car, no matter what your skill level is, is ridiculous. You you set your car up for your skill level and what you'll notice is week after week, you'll be able to go a little bit faster. You throw another two degrees of turbo in or another a little bit more boosting or you might go up a tooth on the pinning gear. You might drop a turn on the motor or you might turn your end point adjustment up a little bit more there's there's.
So many ways to sleep: it is a good, fast, i'm going to turn my epa up i'm going to do that now. The point is: is it's easy to slow the car down it's easy to to make a race car within your skill set and again i'm? Not always talking about a main guys. Some of my examples are amane guys because that's really, where you can figure hash out, what's, going on at the high level of technology and and what not in the hobby. But in the lower mains you shouldn't be going as fast as the guys are. In the a mean, you should be running your 10 5 or your 13 5 uh in in this in the lower mains, while the the faster guys are running there's, eight fives and and seven fives, and six fives this this. This idea that you have to run everything so it's ballistic, so the cardboard yeah. If everyone had to run the ballistic motors, so the cars are blowing up, then i would totally agree with you, but they don't and they shouldn't. Be you build a car to your skill, set that that's my racer conversation i care just as much about the g man as the a main. The g main guy needs to build now, there's, also the opposite component of this, because i've also had seen beginner guys at the track, who are running so slow that they can't even clear. The double they're casing, the double over and over it, or they have to to to go way wide on the turn and and really get a run up to clear, that's, equally as difficult to drive as an overpowered car.
So the point is: if you are one of these slower people talk to the fast guys, they're not going to be all snobby to you. They'Ll give you some tips on how to build your car rate for your skill set yeah it's the honey's not too fast. The hobbies fast it's great it's awesome. I love these fast cars, but if i, if, if you can't handle it, don't drive it that fast and then so that's the racer, and we can talk more about that. The bachelor end it's great it's awesome. You got nothing but big, open space and bash your areas you can and and it's creating entire new segments getting people into to to buy these 80 mile an hour cars out of the box and then soup them up until they go 110 miles an hour it's. Creating lots of buzz lots of new products, lots of new customers. You say that again we got a new fan today, that's how it released. Oh, i knew how you meant like a cut like a like a late breaking news and rc. Yes, so i i don't think the hobby is overpowered. I don't think the hobbies too fast. I think uh you you need to realize back in the day. They would walk in the hobby shop and say, give me the fastest motor and you sold them a trinity, triad, nine turn or something which was pretty quick um, but nothing by today's standards.
Now when they come in the store and say, give me the fastest one. We'Re, like hang on hot rod, you don't want the fastest motor here's here's and we have a discussion about it. All this is doing is it's forcing a discussion. This idea that you have to put the fastest of everything in is silly, because that was one breath. What i said, do you want to say something because that was yeah exactly huh, i think pete fell asleep halfway through your uh rant. I still think everything's too fast, especially in racing but that's traction to me. I hate, even though i think, it'd be fun. I hate carpet off road racing and i've never done it. Yeah right. The problem with carpet offer racing is not that it's too fast you're, just probably you're, probably a little bit of an elitist on on the old dirt stuff, which is fine. I i like dirt as well, but again the the the idea that you have to run at those intense speeds is ridiculous. If, if you can handle it, it's fun it's super fun. I i like to think i'm a pretty decent driver. I love when my car goes ballistic. I think that's awesome and if i make a mistake, the repercussions are big and bad, and if i don't want those repercussions to happen, then i can slow the car down but uh. The speed is awesome. It'S great, you just make sure you're ready for it.
I think that i don't think ready to run too fast uh. As far as racing goes, anyone who's, smart and wants to have fun and hopefully win. I think we'll realize if the car is too fast for them and they'll either just use less trigger or yeah they'll do to make the call more manageable. I know for me when it comes to speed, like anything i have like, if it can take a 4s battery. I probably run it mostly on 3s, so that's more fun. If i can take 6s i'll probably run on 4s, most of the time, just because it's, not mental there's times, where i like to have that full absolute peak power capability when you've got plenty of room and you do a massive. You know, wheelies across the park. That'S cool, but if you have to actually like turn and get around things and stand a little bit of a course, usually less power for me is more fun um, so uh i'll eliminate myself and there's. Also, you know for cars that will do 70. 80 even 100, like the x01 they're more expensive, and it sounds like the kid is like well, should i get a bandit or an x01, you know or the arma you know so that that's also a bit of a built in limiter or it's. The parent who's, like whoa, this thing goes 70 miles an hour impressive, but that sounds like too much for us junior and they get something that does you know 30 miles an hour, so i think it's a big problem and i think, certainly uh in america.
You know this is the land of the second amendment. If you can have any kind of a gun you want, you should definitely have any kind of an rc car. You want yeah, you touched upon it, you touched upon it, but but in the store, we'll often recommend like if the guy's buying a wrestler that goes 70 miles an hour on the box. First of all, it's very difficult to get it to go that 70 miles. An hour the advertised number but they'll uh, you know, should i buy a 3s lipo, we usually write, say a card that uses either a 2 or a 3s. We would recommend, listen you're, going to daily drive this thing on 2s, but when you want to impress the ladies yeah, you might want to have a 3s to throw in once in a while, but you're not going to enjoy necessarily going at those intense speed. It'S it's, less fun, it's scary and they and they're you can have the best of both worlds. Yeah. I think what horizon does with the uh 50 and 100 throttle switch where you can switch it or i think it's full throttle 75 and 50, but it's it's they've got three positions that you can choose, so you can put. You can put the biggest battery in there, but then knock knock it down to 75 percent, so it feels like we're driving on 2s, but the 3s is in there. You can put it into turbo and uh that works of course, traxxas training mode that works great yeah there's, just so many options to slow the car down.
Now that it's it's not really a a problem, if the cars only had a toggle switch and they weren't uh that's a really direction. I don't i wouldn't read directions but um the directions are stupid. I will say that we've been very lucky as an industry, because the cars do go very fast, they're heavy mass times i mean the cars aren't rc10 size anymore. You know short course: trucks, that's, the biggest answer, buggy mass times velocity at least the car hits you at 30. that's, like you know, a literal ton of force hitting you if it's going fast enough, makes you square right, so we, i think, we've been very lucky In that regard, i mean people have been killed by radio control, helicopters, um, so uh, you know fingers crossed, we won't see any any of that kind of stuff and we'll talk safety. When we talk about lipos too, but yeah i mean these things are fast. They say not a toy on the box for a reason so let's all be. You know, uh safe with our rc cars. Don'T drive it through your legs at 75 miles an hour. You know, or at least get a video, the guy that needs to hear that should drive the car through his legs at 75 miles an hour. I think everybody should do that at this point and then send the video to us. Yeah i mean if you see an rc car, even our car going 40.
You can feel that that's, a lot of mass and energy and people tend to take a step back and respect that when they see that kind of thing in action and that's, just not a dangerous war compared to another. I have a dead in my shin from corner marshalling, an a skill buggy that decided to punch it when i went to pick it up and it cut me and i have a divot in my shin from that son of a i threw that car across the Track they should have had reverse if they had reversed, that would they have reversed. He would have backed out of that thing. I'Ve been arguing for reverse this whole time. Yeah yeah, one more quick thing on safety. It blows my mind and this used to blow my mind when i would, you know, actually go to racetracks and race, but i would see guys with their backs to a double eight scale. Buggies jumping temple high, and i would tell the rate when i'm, like the rate track opera like dude, you got ta tell those guys to get on the other side of the double and they're like i'm, like i'm scared of you, safety, dude i'm, like they could Get killed, why would you not want to like have a little bit of safety, but what do i know? No, that would be reverse, but um see how that went that way. So i was gon na give a story about the two reviews that we're doing the next issue about uh the speed i did the wendigo review and the 3s on that is just stupidly too fast, because the chassis can't handle it.
It can't go straight. It leans too much it's, not it's, it's, honestly, a good thing: yeah it's, not really that fun uh. What are you talking about the rock racers when to go? Oh right, yeah, yeah yeah, i tested it with the 3s and it it's it's too fast for its own good, because the chassis can't handle that yeah it's, like it's, a rock crawler that now goes 35 and it just yeah over like this and but to make Money to talk to bring back a point. What did you do? Did you give up on the hobby? This is too fast and throw it in the garbage, or did you address it and slow it down? Oh, i broke it right, yeah, okay, what else you should do? It is the whole thing i mean there's it's, like less swapping a mail truck. You know you can't use it, but in a straight line you can and yeah moments. I guess so. My reference in the article was a demon engine and a suzuki samurai, but a similar thing, if it's fun, for you then great, but no, but you can't, you can't, take a trail truck or a rock race like that and hustle it around a tight. You know twisty tourney course with speed it's just you might have the power to, but the chassis won't do it, but but you can throw some roots and go in a straight line so yeah. If people like it, if you go straight that's the thing about that thing, it just doesn't go straight.
Um well driver put your tire away. Yes, i agree. We can go full circle in one entire conversation. So i don't talk about my real it's. One of the things that needs it, because you want a rock racer rock crawler to go fast and now you go fast and you're like. Oh, this chassis can handle it well that's yeah right, not to mention the fact that the drivetrain is spinning at a bazillion miles an hour because it's geared to go two, you know got here late by the way yeah you're fired, travis comes on every week and That'S, what her drinks yeah, quick shout out to travis. He makes some really incredible: uh american flag, uh, yes sculptures but it's like a great man carved he can't carve those stars yeah with a dremel or something but unbelievable, very, very skilled, yeah yeah. You got ta, make them uh into um cornhole. I don't know if you do that already cornhole bag toss. I don't know what you call. You have games in canada, no just like cornhole play with the moose or something reference to something else. Yeah you throw corn in a hole that's. Why it's called that? I thought it was it's also in the circle of your uh anus shorts, but yeah that's. What i thought that's, what i thought it would be: double entendre. Oh, oh awkward, pause we're going to uh. One of the reasons why our shit's too fast now i need to swear every once in a while.
We'Ll keep this pg 13 uh. Yes, fireballs uh power, rc cars now toward a different people. Why did the hobby? Why did the industry choose, lipowise, i mean obviously is winning is the winning uh chemistry, but why did the industry not get together and say let's let's slow this down a tiny bit and go with lithium ion or lithium ferrite or one of the other lithium options? Yeah this well, i don't, i don't know about that. Do you think i said lyco came first, oh, so this is okay yeah. But if i remember correctly because derek you and i were at uh – was it the one and only here in vegas where they had the trade show? Well, you would have been there two people. It was the life these girls that they were using in electric cars. Uh, it was not like those didn't like by the time lipos made it into actual racing. I think there was other chemistries other lithium chemistries available because because lipo was around for quite, i think we saw it in like 2002 or 2001.. Lipo was definitely gaining steam. For rc cars, in fact, when uh a123 came out, the first yourself really make an impact. Their whole pitch was unlike lithium polymer. We won't catch on fire all this stuff. You can put a nail through it. Nothing will happen that that's they were already uh marking themselves as a reaction to lipo and having a unique difference.
Two light bulbs: we were already balls deep into into lipo and there was no turning back by the time and keep in mind a123. Is this massive company – and you know r2 – is a tiny bit so if you're, an rc car manufacturer and you're like i'm, just theorizing here, you're like well, i can go with lipo technology, which is not rolled: steel, cylinders, it's, goop and packets. I imagine that's cheaper to make there's a bunch of companies already making these things in china. I can probably get a much better margin and customer wise. The le lifey cells have uh lower c ratings and lower power density. There'S no performance advantage it's strictly safety, which is not sexy, so i don't think there were enough reasons to to junk the lipo stuff that maybe they're already working on or about to do to say: hey i've got a more expensive product that i have to educate. You about and tell you why less power, good, etc, all that jazz, yeah and great, and also but also lithium, polymers, weren't so prevalent that everyone was worried about. It was still a thing: you're, you're, probably running nickel, metal, hydride cells and and hearing about lipo and thinking about it and there's ample time for the technology to catch up a little bit where you've got a liposuctive charger. You don't have to be an engineer to figure it out and understand how to set cc charging and stuff you just plug it in, and it knows it's a lipo, or are you telling it to lipo or it's for only for lipos, so that takes that away And you know: lipo's super safe.
If you use the lipo mode or a smart charger, will make it safer too charge it the wrong way or if you damage it, if you poke it, you know harm it. Then yeah you've got a problem but it's like saying a rocket safe, but uh. No, but even that's good, even that's, getting better like like only good until it doesn't blow up or opposite it does blow up that's, not safe. If the argument is life is safer, it absolutely is, but we're never going to go to lifey. Well, not at this point, but no, no, no, of course, not now at a critical point, we chose uh small package bombs over i mean you can't, even airmail. These things anymore, i don't think i'll. Let my house burn down for a little bit more voltage yeah. That means i don't know if you saw my slideshow that i just did, but i was talking about how how good of a choice it was all the all the fire things which happened. You can buy a lifey pack right now, if you want to, but the market says no, we don't want that. We want lipos, you know that most people buy lipos because they want them, not because there's no lifey option, because the industry chose only lipo hey. We we might have to have tebow on one week. I think that might be fun huh. He he he made a pretty pretty funny and uh relevant comment.
There are you having a virgin one situation? I don't know about right now, because all i complete is how is omar a tebow that's, not jared tebow, what what's a tv when he was insulting me. He had a different name now that we're a good buddy she's coming out with his real name. So he was watching on youtube. I think it's a different name. I know obviously a joke that's, not obvious stupid, um, you're angry today i love it. I haven't seen angry derrick in a while he chose we chose. There was a pivotal time in rc that uh life he could have helped because a we were trying to slow shit down as shit again um we were trying to slow things down and and lipo was more dangerous, and if we had chose that at the current, Like progression of speed, it would have made zero difference in your 100 mile, an hour car and it wouldn't. I mean i'm still scared to be honest with you to have these batteries in my garage no, but to imply that if we went with lifey for for the main lithium chemistry for the the hobby, doesn't mean that lipo wouldn't exist. We could use lifey for 90 of the industry and then someone who wants the 150 mile an hour car could still buy lipos it's, not an all or nothing conversation. We we could do a higher hybrids are almost the best. In almost every conversation we could have had a hybrid situation where the the organized racing was was lithium, ferrite or lithium ion, and then, if you want to go crazy, of course, you can buy lithium, polymer and adam made a point.
I don't think that's true anymore, that japan at one point did have a lifey uh class. I don't know if they all raced that, but they did make a somewhat effort to not try to burn everything down. Uh it's become less problematic. Now that cells are a little bit more stable but i'm telling you it's still somewhat of a scary proposition, especially when you start going up in in cells. You know i saw i saw a show battery to me is frightening. I don't really want it near me. Well, if you, if let's, say that when you go back in time, um and uh life is first and catches on the industry goes lifey that's. All there is, and now lipo was invented literally a year ago, lipos finally appear we'd all be running them right now, because people would say: oh hey, not if the governing body stopped it not it not if not everybody's. Hang on a second. I already said: if you want to go 150 miles an hour i'm, not saying you can't buy them, but if the industry has a whole decided word, listen, you can't bring your lipo to the racetrack. You can't bring it to the to the parking lot race things. Anything about the kid who wants to go run faster longer with his car and for that, but i think i think i already spoke to that. Then you can still buy light bulbs, but if it has an industry, hypothetical gear life, he comes first there's, no lipo option just that's.
Okay, this is the better way the nickel metal hydride life is the standard battery and then someone a year ago it comes as hey. I came up with lipos, lyfie is 15c, lipo is 30c, you have more punch and also it's lighter, and you get more power density. Everyone would use that they would you they would go to it. You would be transferring the lipo right now. We'Ve we've frozen lifey at 15 years ago development and i guarantee now 50 years. The rc industry is not like where battery technology comes from. I mean life. These are used outside the rv industry, yeah of course uh. So any whatever technology has advanced in life. It'S available now for radio control, car users as well. Just people want the greater power density of a lipo and the thing, a conversation that happens right now to like, in this day and age, when, when a mom and a or a dad and a kid is buying a vehicle, is we have this discussion at the Hobby shop, all the time, here's here's, your nicotine hydride and here's your your lithium polymer option, here's the advantages and disadvantages to each. If you're gon na keep on top of your battery and you want the maximum power and you and you are aware of the extra risks, then you can go lipo. But if, if you're going to bring your vehicle home and throw it in the corner for three months and not touch it and you don't want to have to bounce or storage charge it, and if you don't want any concerns of fire, then nicki minaj is the Answer we could have, we could be having that exact same conversation between lifey and lipo.
Still, you can still there's room for both as well. Uh lifey would still be a very viable if the racing out of it embraced it and if and if – and we had an actual conversation about the safety again i'm, not trying to make rules that you can't buy lipos. But if we were to have that conversation. A lot of people would happily choose lifey over lipo. Well, that's, fine, that's, fine yeah! I mean we're allowed to disagree dead air, fine, we'll disagree then you're free. I was just reading some of the comments i don't remember: uh, novak, trying lithium ion, but lithium ion couldn't supply any amps. No, no that nicotohydride um novak had matched nickel metal hydride packs for a while yeah adam. He posted that uh. I don't remember that's what i was trying to remember. I i don't think they tried lithium ion doesn't provide amp, draw so um a huge pain for the hobby shops but uh some of the industry. Maybe it is even sort of trying to the entry level. Industry is sort of trying to transition. Well, armor tried that or maybe it was armor yeah well horizon right right, yeah yeah, i don't remember arm is competitor. You know with a 200 price point, i mean they're a little less, but they had uh 18 650 cells. So it looks like a extra long like c battery, you know that's what powers tesla's, i believe, yeah. So you you'd put two in the car and that would give you um.
I can't remember what the voltage is but, like seven point, seven point two volts and then you could put more batteries in the car, but it would increase your capacity, not your voltage. So the car always runs 7.2 volts, but you could have extra capacity, um yeah, but yeah it just didn't catch on, but that that car those cars didn't catch on it wasn't. You could also put a lipo or nickel metal in there, but those oh, i didn't, know that no, no, no, there was one vehicle and maybe it was in the armor. There was one vehicle where it only fit those cells uh. If i remember correctly anyway, it doesn't matter. Well, i mean you're just pigeonholing yourself into something: that's, not gon na work, here's one battery and no options um. But certainly if someone came up with a battery tomorrow, that's as light as the lipo same voltage, but there's no storage charge issues and you can drive a nail through it or abuse it and nothing will happen. You know then, that'd be huge for sure, but i think for now yeah, so i was try. I was trying to tell this story earlier. I i'm not an expert at this, but i did see a show outside of the industry on lithium. Polymer and my understanding is: is the fire happens when two of the chemicals come in contact with each other? Like you said, if you pierce it, i guess the chemicals touch or something that's, what caused the fire and they now have uh well.
This is, i saw this about a year ago. The technology now is just more of a gel and the guy was just cutting. He was cutting up, he was, he had a lipo selling, he was cutting pieces off of it while it was still plugged into a light bulb, but the light bulb was still going as he was cutting pieces. So the argument is just like any technology, i'm sure they're working on it or they. This is. This is gon na. There will be a time where we can drill a screw or a drill bit through a label battery and it won't catch fire i'm sure that's. All that's all i'm, looking forward to in life yeah i mean the next time i build a car. I want to install the batteries. Lack of fear of burning your house down would be nice yeah. The way batteries should be installed in cars.